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In our ongoing series about data in policy debate, we got a few requests from readers with respect to creating a more comprehensive guide to interpreting politics graphs we see in the wild. 

We think it’s a great idea. We’re going to get started with the seeds of a new chapter. We’ve already discussed a few key ways that data can be presented in policy debate in order to nudge us towards making a certain conclusion:

  1. Correlating two variables and implying causality
  2. Carefully selecting what variables go on graph axes
  3. Looking at a variable out of context of the “bigger point”
  4. More fishy variable definitions
  5. More questions of which variables to correlate
  6. Problems of statistical significance

Today we want to focus on “organizing and framing,” which is likely to be a chapter on its own if and when this becomes a book. We’ll look at an example near and dear to our hearts as we crank through the editing of Wedged. 

There’s an oft-cited statistic that in the United States, there are 32,000 gun deaths per year.  This is true. But one little statistic can carry with it a whole lot of meat to chew on.

There’s already a framing sin afoot here: talking about raw numbers instead of rate (per population) is fairly unforgivable when trying to think rationally about policy. The United States is a big country, so its numbers are all going to be big compared to other countries’. 

There are a few other questions we need to ask. Are these gun deaths homicides, accidents, suicides, etc? Turns out it’s all three together. Suicides outnumber homicides about 2:1 (accidental deaths make up less than 2% of gun deaths). And as gun homicides have dropped (along with the general drop in homicide in the US), gun suicides have increased. 

So if we’re just querying “gun deaths,” we’d see that they’re largely unchanged in the United States over the past 7 years. We would miss completely that homicide rates (gun and otherwise) have been dropping significantly, and that suicide rates have been increasing just as quickly. 

 Source:  UC Davis
Source: UC Davis

So what’s the issue with the framing here? When we talk about gun control, we’re generally talking about measures that will affect the murder rate: background checks, trigger locks, assault weapon bans, clip size restrictions. None of this would have any impact on suicides, which make up a 2/3 (and growing) share of gun deaths. With regard to policy, lumping homicides and suicides together as “gun deaths” is deceptive and unhelpful.

Looking specifically at gun suicides, we may imagine that the US has a major problem compared to its peers. The US has by far the highest gun suicide rate of the OECD.

Look all the way to the right at South Korea and Japan, with the lowest gun suicide rates in the OECD. Now let’s look at the suicide rate, regardless of tool:

 Source: OECD, via  Korea Herald
Source: OECD, via Korea Herald

South Korea and Japan are #1 and #3 for suicide overall. The United States is below average, under traditionally-happy countries like Canada and Sweden. 

In the case of suicide, focusing on the tool can cause us to look at data in an unhelpful way: it can imply that guns are a primary or decisive driver of suicide; looking at the big picture reveals that in some countries, guns are part of the picture, and in some countries, suicide rates can be very high despite almost no guns at all. 

The lesson is similar in the case of homicide rates: we’ve seen homicide rates drop in the US despite a higher gun ownership rate; guns are part of the story, but far from the whole thing.

Why would we want to reduce deaths brought about by a certain tool, rather than premature deaths? Why might we care about gun suicides more than other suicides? 

The answer is that we obviously don’t. Focusing on guns specifically is meant to imply a certain policy path. Organizing many kinds of death into a certain lump like “gun deaths” obfuscates a complex issue and implies that the tool involved is the only factor worth considering.

Do you have other ideas for a Data in Policy Debate book? Let us know in comments.

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29 Comments

  • Chris McAdam, September 15, 2015 @ 12:59 pm Reply

    You very clearly illustrate the point that, in order to meaningfully solve a problem, we first have to accurately understand the cause of that problem. If you want to reduce suicides, eliminating guns likely won’t help, given the ability of people elsewhere without access to guns to nevertheless self-terminate. Nevertheless, there are countless people who claim that it will, because people with guns HERE (in the US) are generally more successful.
    when they attempt (though those people are far more often male, who have a much higher rate of "success" in general, worldwide).

    Reducing suicides requires understanding the root cause there, not removing access to one tool to accomplish that. Reducing murders requires a myriad of things, including better policing and better instilling of values.

    In general, most problems are complicated, and have complicated solutions, and overly simplified proposed solutions tend not to work and do more to enlist people to assorted political causes than to rectify situations.

    • Something to Consider, September 15, 2015 @ 5:59 pm Reply

      Great points, all.

      I do wonder how many gun suicides would be deterred if guns were less generally available in households (though gun control is I think unlikely to change that unless there was a total gun ban). That is, when faced with lower-likelihood methods, whether some people might be deterred from the attempt, or a higher number would attempt and fail, and then get help. Who knows what that number would be–but I think it would be small. Guns are 1/2 of the tools used for suicide in the US, and basically 0% of the tools used in South Korea and Japan.

      But indeed, why tends of thousands of Americans per year are serious enough to be looking for tools to commit suicide is probably a much higher-impact question to answer than "what tools are they using most?"

      • Chris McAdam, September 16, 2015 @ 1:46 pm Reply

        And why the genders are so different about it…. there’s an argument to be made that men see suicide as a solution to a problem, and women see it as a cry for help. Women make up 75% of the suicide attempts, and yet only 20% of suicide victims are female…. If there are 400 suicide attempts, 300 are women, and of those 300, at very most 25 are successful (that assumes a 100% male success rate, which isn’t the case)

        Why do women feel they need to attempt suicide to get help is likely a valid question. Why do men think killing themselves solves their problem is likely also a valid question.

        • Something to Consider, September 16, 2015 @ 5:43 pm Reply

          Fascinating statistics. Something we’ll look deeper into, definitely.

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