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So despite my reluctance to dive into this while the heat is high, a few folks asked for my opinion on how to prevent shootings like Orlando, so I’m going to take a crack at, at least, what we need to be looking at to figure it out. I will attempt to be sensitive and promise that my intentions are to sincerely assess the issue from a problem-solving perspective, though I’ll admit I’m quite skeptical of just about everyone’s political approaches here.

There’s a lot of terrible information and really lousy problem-solving that swirls around when this stuff happens. People of course get very emotional and have a knee-jerk reaction, and want to see some action. Let’s see how current proposals stand up. From the right, we have “something something terrorism” (Trump going so far as to say that Obama is aiding ISIS)–there doesn’t seem to be much of a plan. The other is tightening gun control in two ways: banning assault weapons, and making sure people on the terror watch list aren’t able to buy guns.

First, My Pet Peeve: “Assault Weapons”

So many people believe “assault weapons” are fully automatic–that is, you hold the trigger, and it fires a bunch of bullets. This isn’t true: assault weapons are the same as other semi-automatic weapons, but are defined (federally) as having 2 of 3 of the following features: a collapsible stock, a flash suppressor (which just means it’s less bright when you shoot it), and a pistol grip.

They’re certainly not assault rifles, which are fully automatic. There’s been gobs of bad reporting on this: even the Washington Post said Mateen was carrying an assault rifle, which is just patently false and is incredibly bad journalism. Assault rifles are completely illegal for citizens to own in the United States. Why can’t the Washington Post get this right? Is it straight-up intentional misinformation (known more colloquially as “lying”) or incredibly bad fact-finding? 

Is it important that we get these definitions right? Absolutely. We need to understand what we’re dealing with if we’re going to be problem-solving. 

A Reminder of Scale

The Orlando shooting is just mind-bogglingly, unimaginably horrible in a way that I will do no justice trying to describe. 

When we’re talking murders in the US perpetuated with guns, one thing to keep in mind is that statistically almost all of them are not mass shootings, not perpetuated with assault weapons (that number averages about 50/year fairly consistently), and largely involve inner-city crime. In 2014, there were about 8200 murders with firearms, of which 5600 are confirmed to be perpetrated with pistols

I bring up this reminder just to give everyone something to consider about relative scale and priority in reducing American murders and violent crime. 

With those two digressions, on to the proposals.

Reducing the Threat of Terrorism

So Mateen pledged his allegiance to ISIS and claimed that he was attacking the United States because they were “bombing my country” (Mateen is American but is of Afghan heritage). There is some tangential evidence he was also homophobic, but there’s even more evidence that he himself was gay; he apparently visited Pulse 25 times and probably had gay dating site accounts, so who knows what was going on in his head there. He was loosely connected to a suicide bomber that traveled from the US to Syria, and was twice under FBI investigation, but both times the investigation dismissed him.

One proposal is to more quickly finish off ISIS. I’ll say first that if there was no ISIS in the world, it’d be a much better place. But would it stop people like Mateen? Personally, I doubt it: even if ISIS is militarily defeated, there will still be Wahhabist and Salafist elements out in the world, pushing propaganda over the Internet. Mateen didn’t come from the Middle East and didn’t radicalize by traveling there: he just read stuff online. 

So far, it doesn’t seem like ISIS has successfully sent any agents to the United States to conduct terror attacks: both Orlando and San Bernadino were born in the US (though how much of Wahhabism they had studied and understand is something beyond me). 

Right now, ISIS is focused on trying to create and hold onto a Caliphate. Long-term, if ISIS entrenched itself, would it be an international threat? Almost certainly. Getting rid of it is important–and incredibly complicated. But I don’t think the fact that ISIS still occupies parts of Syria and Iraq had any influence here.

The other proposal is to make sure Syrian refugees don’t enter the United States, or temporarily (?) prevent Muslims from entering the country. Similarly, Mateen was born in the US, as were the San Bernadino shooters. So it would have had no impact on those cases.

Right now I have no way of assessing the threat of Syrian refugees (how many, if any, are ISIS agents). But ultimately, it’s at least a slightly different can of worms.

Gun Control

I urge caution whenever someone says, “sensible gun control” without making a clear link between a proposed solution and how it would play out in the field. I worry that it’s a political term–“this is sensible gun control” may be intended to prevent anyone from having the political space to question it.

So far I see three proposals in reaction to Orlando:

  1. Ban assault weapons, because they are “weapons of war.”
  2. Reduce magazine size to 10 bullets
  3. Prevent people on the terror watch-list from being able to buy guns

So my personal take after a lot of research is that assault weapons aren’t particularly more powerful or deadly than other semi-automatic rifles. They use the same caliber rounds, and most of the power comes from the size of the round (its mass) and the gunpowder in the round (which gives it its velocity).

I actually talked to my friend Hunter about this, who knows more about guns than I do, and he was able to tell me a few ways in which some rifles are more deadly than others. Excuse me if I butcher any of this. 

Some rifles like the AR-15 have a light reloading mechanism, which means slightly more energy goes into propelling the bullet and slightly less going into reloading the gun (in short, a semi-automatic weapon uses the power of the gunpowder explosion to push back a spring-loaded thing that then creates space for a round in the magazine to enter, and then that springs back to position the bullet in front of the hammer)–this means slightly higher velocity. That said, an assault weapons ban wouldn’t stop manufacturers from making lighter weapons.

He also mentioned that rifles like the AR-15 have low recoil, which means they’re somewhat more accurate. This also isn’t covered by an assault weapons ban (and it’s a bit hard to make a law that requires a certain amount of recoil or a sabotaged accuracy). 

Finally, he said that the adjustable stock allows one to operate more freely in a cramped environment, because the overall length of the gun can get shorter, which may have been relevant in the Pulse shooting. That, at least, is covered by the assault weapons ban. 

A pistol grip is designed to make the gun easier to hold and operate, as well as access the safety very easily. Banning this may also have had an effect in Orlando, and is covered in the assault weapons ban.

Would these have prevented Orlando? Certainly not–Mateen could have gotten a different semi-automatic rifle. They’re similarly powerful and have the same fire rate as assault weapons. My assessment is that banning weapons with pistol grips and extendable stocks may have had a marginal effect on the number of people that died, but I’m not sure.

On magazine size: it’s definitely the case that some of the recent mass shootings in the United States involved high-capacity magazines, of 15-30+ rounds each. Mateen likely (but we don’t know) had 30-round magazines in his Sig Sauer MCX (not an AR-15, as commonly believed). This does mean he reloaded at least 3 times (as he shot 102 people), but probably more, as a 90%+ accuracy rate is pretty unprecedented.

So in this case, would fewer people have died if magazine size was restricted to 10 rounds? Perhaps. Life may have been somewhat harder if he had to reload three times as often, but we weren’t in there. We do know that the Tuscon, AZ attacker was taken down while he was reloading, but I know of no other cases in which a mass shooter was stopped while reloading. So we can assume that maybe someone in Pulse could have stopped Mateen while he was reloading if he was doing it more often, but we just don’t know. The manufacture of these magazines would be prevented by the assault weapons ban. 

So depending on how things played out, some people may have been saved if Mateen had to reload more often, but of course a high-capacity magazine ban wouldn’t have prevented the attack.

The 2nd Amendment implications seem pretty tight on this, as the US already bans certain kinds of weapons for excessive deadliness (assault rifles or fully automatic anything, grenades and grenade launchers, etc etc). The precedent seems to support that such a ban wouldn’t be overturned. 

Finally, we come to the proposal to stop people on the terror watch list from buying guns. President Obama actually talked about this a few days before Orlando at a town hall meeting. He said that he had come from a meeting that morning where he was shown some people on the terror watch list, and he was able to put them on the no-fly list, but wasn’t able to stop them from buying guns.

There are two interesting things to say on this. First, neither Mateen nor the San Bernardino shooters were on the terror watch list when they acquired their weapons. So if the President was given that power, it wouldn’t have prevented Orlando or San Bernardino, specifically. 

Now, in theory, it could prevent other terrorists from doing the same. That said, I’m not currently aware of any people that were on the terror watch list who carried out attacks with guns they bought while they were on said watch list. So as far as past mass shooting incidents, it doesn’t seem like such a law would have had any impact.

But we could of course imagine a scenario in which it has an impact in the future. And it seems pretty intuitive to not let potential terrorists buy guns. There’s already broad support in the US for not letting convicted violent criminals or the mentally ill buy guns, so this might seem like a natural extension.

(Nat mentions that perhaps you might not want to prevent them from buying guns if they’re on the watch-list, as they then instantly become aware that they’re on the watch-list. Same goes for flying.)

So the second thing is the 4th Amendment complication. What some people find disturbing about Obama’s speech is that as President, he has the power to prevent people from being able to fly upon suspicion–before they’ve done anything wrong. There’s no oversight, no court, nothing but the opinion of the President to restrict these people’s liberty. So the same would be the case for guns. That’s a complication we need to take seriously.

But if you’re a “give up liberty for a little bit of security” type of person, this may be acceptable. The question is, “how likely is it going to help?” Great question. In theory, someone on the terror watch list could certainly want to kill people and be prevented from doing so by not being able to buy a gun. But then again, in theory, a Syrian refugee could be an ISIS agent and blow up people with homemade explosives like Timothy McVeigh. So it removes a hypothetical threat while giving the President the power to, without accountability, restrict people’s liberty. That’s something we need to consider seriously.

So How Would We Actually Prevent Orlando?

In all of my research and thinking, I’ve come to think that the solutions I’ve seen proposed would not have prevented Orlando from happening. Some proposals might have made it somewhat less deadly, though it’s very hard to say how much less deadly. 

If you have someone not on the terror watch list or not a convicted criminal/crazy person, and they have an intent to go kill a lot of people, they can get guns, and they can kill people. Until you ban and successfully remove most guns from the country (remember that there are 280 million of them floating around), someone like Mateen can get his hands on firearms–until then, your only options are to try to limit the number of people killed in the incident.

And if they can’t get guns, a sufficiently motivated attacker could of course use all sorts of other improvised weapons and explosives. Many of these may yield a lower casualty count. But if you have someone that’s hell-bent on killing people in a free society, will they be able to kill people? The age-old security-liberty trade-off question comes into play. More on that in a future post.

42 Comments

  • C, June 17, 2016 @ 2:42 pm Reply

    I think a fundamental flaw in both the domestic counterterrorism and gun control debates is the idea that "the next Orlando" or "the next Sandy Hook" (or Michael Brown, or Trayvon Martin) can be prevented. It can’t. Hopefully many of them will be prevented, and the attacks that do happen mitigated, but the promise of ‘never again’ is a false promise. It will happen again. And I think on the domestic counterterrorism side, we failed because we bought into that promise and keep trying to sell away our civil rights to buy something that doesn’t exist. But on the gun control debate, I think each side has failed in its own way–control advocates thinking that they can buy the impossible promise of ‘never again’ at the cost of weapons bans, and gun rights advocates falling into the trap of "since we can’t achieve the promise of ‘never again’ there’s no point in giving anything up." But to the point here, it sounds like the demand for informed specificity in talking about gun control is a decoy. We don’t demand the public be this informed on other debates. Tax breaks: somewhat complicated financial incentives that we are content to call "tax breaks." Health care: an incredibly complicated amalgamation of infrastructure (hospitals, clinics, emergency services), trained professionals (doctors, nurses, medical researchers), the insurance industry (let’s not even try), the pharmaceutical industry, etc that we are content to call "health care." But for gun control, we’re going to demand that people–who can articulate, explain, and rationalize their goal–hold off until they can master a specific verbiage? Does this help the dialogue, or does it give one side an linguistic excuse to dodge the actual conversation?

    • Erik Fogg, July 7, 2016 @ 2:29 pm Reply

      I think the verbiage is important, if only for credibility’s sake. In particular if one runs around implying that one is trying to ban fully-automatic weapons, but isn’t, I think a credibility gap emerges: I think we need to have the internal intellectual integrity to say what we mean and not confuse either by intention or by sloppiness–otherwise, I think we only arm the political forces that oppose us.

  • Alf Wilson, June 17, 2016 @ 4:33 pm Reply

    Your peeve about assault weapons and what defines them is somewhat irrelevant; all weapons designed to kill as many people as possible in the shortest period of time should be banned. Period. Why would citizens need them? Why should they be allowed to own them? As for the 280 million firearms; why not register them (like cars) and have an annual test of them, by police, to renew the registration and the license to own them? People could still own non-assault weapons, but these would all be traceable, and their owners would be known (and interviewed annually). All sales would need to be approved and registered. Annual registration/licensing fees would cover the costs of the program (and costs of safety training). This annual expense might also encourage many gun owners to hand in old or unwanted weapons to police – especially if combined with a buyback program. All this would not prevent terrorists and criminals from obtaining firearms, but it would make it much more difficult. Terrorists might use other explosives, poisons, etc., but that is no excuse not to control firearms. The country would be unquestionably safer than it is today.

  • Ned Twigg, June 18, 2016 @ 4:51 am Reply

    The FBI used revolvers as their sidearm until 1986. Why did they switch? It took too long to reload in a protracted shootout against semi-automatics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

    Why did they use revolvers until 1986? Because they’re more reliable (and more accurate). Semi-autos jam infrequently, but revolvers jam almost never. If you’re pulling a gun out of a holster in a hurry to protect yourself, you want to be really sure that it fires, and a revolver is your safest bet.

    History shows that revolvers are ineffective in shootouts, and highly effective in personal defense. The only time a semi-auto is more effective than a revolver in a defensive posture is if you’re in a protracted gunfight and have access to multiple clips for quick reloading (aka police fighting criminals who are armed for mass violence).

    I agree that the "assault weapons" term is silly. But I think the most silly part is that we sell semi-automatic weapons to the public at all. If their goal is personal protection or sport, they’d be better served by a revolver or a bolt action rifle. Probably too late to do much about it though. Playing with semi-autos is super fun. I’d happily trade it to live in a world where I’m less likely to encounter one "in-the-wild".

  • Tim Martin, June 19, 2016 @ 6:42 pm Reply

    1. Random general comment: it’s weird that blog posts here aren’t signed. I never know who I’m talking to, or if it’s the same person who wrote some previous article on that topic. Why not put names on the posts?

    2. Your point is well taken that non-mass shooting gun violence causes many more deaths than mass shootings (about 49 times more, not counting suicides). So it’s questionable to me whether the nation should even focus on mass shootings. I realize mass shootings take a higher emotional toll than inner city gun violence – since unsuspecting people are literally hunted down – and that’s something to take into account. But… mass shootings represent the gun violence that we can see. The other gun violence has always been there; it’s just that many of us don’t see it, and we find it very easy to not pay any attention to it. It’d be a shame if a smaller problem got more attention than a much bigger problem simply because the former is more visible.

    If America is going to focus on preventing mass shootings specifically, the first question I would ask is "why do we have so many." A previous post here on gun violence had a link to an article that showed convincingly that America is anomalous in our number of mass shootings per capita. Why is that? If the availability of weapons is a major cause, then making weapons less available could actually help with the mass shooting problem and the everyday gun violence problem. (Although it’s scary to imagine that in other developed countries, people exist who would shoot 50 people at a nightclub if only they had access to the right weapons. But they don’t have access, so we’ll never know those people exist.)

    Another relevant correlation is the one between gender and mass shootings – i.e. the perpetrators are almost always men. I’d be curious to know why this is, although I have a feeling (perhaps mistaken) that most violence, or lethal violence, is caused by men. This is interesting and I’d like to know more about it, but if true it means that any solutions in this area would affect a whole lot more than just gun violence.

    Lastly, research on the causes of gun violence shows that "culture" is a relevant variable. Some parts of the US have a "culture of violence" or something like that, and this is one of the things you have to control for if you want to find a correlation between gun ownership and gun homicides. So if culture is part of the problem (and maybe with mass shootings it isn’t), it’d be good to know if we can change culture.

    • Erik Fogg, July 7, 2016 @ 2:26 pm Reply

      1. Great question: my policy is "Erik, unless otherwise stated." I can change that or just make it clear elsewhere.

      I’m actually juuuuuuust starting to spool up a book on gun violence that I’m hoping comes out with some helpful recommendations. I’ve taken your comment into mind for my research–thank you.

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