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Mall of America is trying to get a restraining order against Black Lives Matter protesters as it finishes its Christmas season (by the time you read this, the judge will have probably ruled already). 

BLM protesters have staged multiple protests at MoA already. MoA is, of course, saying it’s losing money (we have no idea how much) as the protests drive away shoppers.

We do not envy the judge that has to make this decision–even if the judge decides that MoA is being harassed unduly, how can it be enforced? Who is or isn’t a BLM protester, and how do police (enforcing it) pick between who to forcefully evict from the Mall, if it comes to that?

Assuming folks smarter than us can figure out enforcement, the question remains: is it suppression of free speech to enforce the restraining order? A Mall is a public space (and not like somebody’s house, which is private), so it can’t just arbitrarily throw out whomever it wants.

But what if these protesters were the Ku Klux Klan, or the Westboro Baptist Church, Scientologists, Communists, etc? What if there were enough protesters to consistently fill the maximum legal occupancy of the building?

Is there a good principle by which we can draw a conclusion on how to act in these cases?

45 Comments

  • Joseph Heston, December 24, 2015 @ 3:07 pm Reply

    The management at MoA are douchebags anyway. They forget that even though they say the mall is private property, it is for public use (as long as there’s no willful destruction of property or harassing customers or employees), and if BLM aren’t doing any of that, there’s not a thing that MoA (which should be called Mall of Anti-America, since they don’t value freedom of speech or the right to protest) can do about it.

    • Daniel Kane, December 24, 2015 @ 6:02 pm Reply

      What do you mean when you say that the mall is for public use? The intended use is for members of the public to shop, I suppose. Are you saying that they should have a legal obligation to allow protests? Suppose, for the sake of argument, that on days of protests the mall was actually losing money (they didn’t make enough money from sales to cover operating costs). Would they be justified then for closing down the mall on days where protests are scheduled, or should the private owners be required to spend money in order to keep the mall open for protesters? What if there were protests every day?

    • Something to Consider, December 24, 2015 @ 6:19 pm Reply

      Hey Joseph,

      My lawyer friend weighed in on this:

      "there’s a whole line of Supreme Court cases on free speech in malls. Most recent, I believe, is Pruneyard v. Robins. The upshot is:

      1. There’s no 1st Amendment right to free speech in malls (an early case said there was, but later and more conservative Courts backed away from that)
        1.a. This is true EVEN if the speech is directly related to the operation of the mall (i.e., a protest against anti-unionization tactics used by the mall)
        2. However, a state constitution can be more protective of the 1st Amendment here than the federal constitution, and both NJ and CA have found that their state constitutions require some right to engage in free speech at malls under reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions."

      So it appears that MoA likely has a case.

  • Russell Kooistra, December 24, 2015 @ 5:00 pm Reply

    It’s not unconstitutional; the judge should enforce the restraining order

    • Something to Consider, December 24, 2015 @ 6:20 pm Reply

      Hm. I wonder, though, "against whom?" If I’m shopping with a "Black Lives Matter" shirt, can the cops throw me out? I’m not sure how to draw the line on these things.

  • Chris McAdam, December 24, 2015 @ 7:01 pm Reply

    Owners of shops have the right to remove people who are being disruptive.
    As soon as someone disrupts commerce, they can be removed.

    The article I saw says they got an order against the organizers, not everyone who might conceivably be part of BLM. So they can keep out people who have been disruptive, but not those who might possibly be but haven’t yet.

    I think I’m ok with that.

  • Joshua Lowell, December 24, 2015 @ 7:45 pm Reply

    So far I am enjoying this tug of war between MoA and BLM. Grass roots movements or affiliations like BLM are in a great position to make their message clear in MoA and just about any other public space. For some reason I don’t feel sympathy for the shoppers who are being inconvenienced. Life can be difficult at times and this happens to be one of those times because unarmed black, white, red & brown people are being killed by policemen for no reason. Policemen have never uniformly been held accountable for their actions.

    We have relied on the assumption that policemen and women are people of integrity, honesty, discretion and good intentions. BLM members are trying to inform the public that this is not always the case.

    I don’t believe it would be possible to identify BLM members. BLM is not a club and formal membership, if such a thing exists, is not required to align with their principals and act accordingly. If the fact that these protesters can be removed because they are there for other purposes than MoA intended (shopping), they could all go to the mall to buy a pack of chewing gum, thousands of people buying gum & perhaps stopping to chat or have a cup of coffee could disrupt MoA as effectively as loitering.

    My hope is that someday things will change enough in America so that vast numbers of people such as the BLM folks will have better things to do on the Day before Xmas.

  • Norman Poppell, December 29, 2015 @ 2:43 pm Reply

    Want a stick to measure this crap by? You cannot find one, because this country is so divided, not by nationality, immigration status. This "Divided States of Obama" has a line drawn in sand; a black and white line. In San Francisco you will get a totally different ruling than you would here in Texas. SF allows "American citizens" to protest the funeral of a fallen defender of our country. Pull that crap in the Circuit Court that governs Texas, et al, there just may be more funerals. When one part of our country respects those that served our country and another part honors the damn whales and trees and such, THAT my friends is a divided country. And race relations are even worse. ANY white LEO that kills a black male, that officer(s) are guilty as soon as the news hits. Obama and others quickly back down. But I have NEVER heard an apology, nary a national cry for calm, etc. Our country is so far off the rails I’m not sure if it will ever be the United States of America. And that makes me sad.

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