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Gender equality and feminism are much trickier issues than most of us might think they are. As we debate various political issues like abortion, equal pay, and maternity leave–as well as cultural issues like gender portrayal in the media, differences in occupation, and gender roles in society–we often get emotional. The internet and social media tend to be dominated with the most inflammatory positions, and we are tempted to see those as representative of those who disagree with us.

As I was discussing gender politics and feminism with a good friend, she said something I found very interesting: “if you believe in gender equality, you’re a feminist.” I hadn’t considered that perspective before. I decided to do some research on how Americans feel about the matter.

The most recent poll by Vox I found showed that 85% of Americans believe in gender equality but only 18% call themselves “feminists.” What this suggested to me was that not everyone agrees with my friend’s definition of “feminist.”

A CBS News poll found similar results, but when they first provided a dictionary definition of feminism and then asked the question, the “yes” answer rate (among women) went up to 65%.

Of the 68% of Americans that believe in gender equality but don’t call themselves feminists, what else might they think “feminism” means? What’s holding them back from calling themselves feminists, as well?

This is a complex issue: we’d love to get your input. Tell us what you think “feminism” means to you–or what you think it might mean for those 68%–in comments below!

–Erik

39 Comments

  • Chris McAdam, May 5, 2015 @ 3:32 pm Reply

    I will sacrifice myself unto the altar.

    "Feminist" is a political label. It isn’t the dictionary definition; it is defined by the issues that those who self identify as feminists portray. Those issues are not limited merely to equality, but include advocating for special privileges for women, in a number of cases.

    You cannot argue for the dictionary being the definition of accuracy unless you refuse to accept self identification and denounce people who advocate for things other than equality and yet self identify as feminists.

    Women who make this point plain :
    Julie Borowski
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcb_4nk4t4Q
    karen straughan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEeCCuFFO8

    Here’s one that makes my position rather nicely :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1SI3KTYfVw

    • Something to Consider, May 5, 2015 @ 5:29 pm Reply

      Suggestion from a sales perspective: never start something by priming people to believe they won’t like reading it! Your opening sentence makes me believe you’re about to say something unhelpful to the conversation, where I think this is a helpful perspective.

      Followup question: if a different, larger group of people (say 60% of America) decided they were "feminists," would the definition change as the mean group behavior changed, as you see it?

      • Chris McAdam, May 5, 2015 @ 8:53 pm Reply

        My view, I also think, is helpful in the abstract. It is also, alas, unpopular with some people. Expressing it does good. It also may draw ire. So far I have been pleasantly proven wrong.

        Any political label is defined by the positions its leadership offers up. It isn’t the membership size, although the supermajority of women supporting equality and yet not identifying as feminists is telling, it is the positions advocated by their leaders, and presumably supported by their members. Restoring "equality" means getting those leaders to advocate for positions of equality, not preference. I am an egalitarian because I fully support equal rights, responsibilities,and privileges for everyone whenever humanly possible. If someone advocated for extra rights for anybody and claimed to be an egalitarian, I would loudly claim they weren’t. If enough people did it, and people tolerated it, I would stop calling myself one.

        To be more obvious, "Democrats" stand for a bunch of core beliefs. So do "Republicans". There are examples of people consistently vote for one party or the other, but don’t accept the label because of deeply held differences in some of those core beliefs.

  • John Cromwell, May 5, 2015 @ 3:43 pm Reply

    Hi Erik – very interesting statistics you found about the stark contrast between how people think about feminism and how they actually feel about feminism. I can’t say I’m an expert on the topic, but one of the things that I have always associated with feminism that maybe others do as well is not just a belief about gender equality, but also a set of behaviors that go along with trying to promote gender equality. This association dates all the way back to the 19th century with the early suffragette movement, then transitioning to the feminist movement of the 1970’s, and now the modern day movement with pay equality and "leaning in" at the workplace. I wonder if females don’t consider themselves feminists because while they believe in gender equality, they aren’t part of "the movement" to change the political and social landscape to make gender equality a reality.

    One follow-on question I’ve been wondering about: Today, the pay gap between women and men is about 0.77 for every 1.00, or 23%. What difference in pay will society consider the "pay-gap" to be closed? The obvious answer would be 0%, but this makes me question whether that’s the right goal. There are unavoidable biological facts – like child-bearing – that directly conflict with a woman’s ability to gain as much experience in the workforce as their male counterparts. Also, there are really important factors – like years experience, different jobs, different levels, different education and expertise – that don’t get controlled for when coming up with that 23% number. While I think 23% is evidence that there is still a true pay-gap in the country, would a gap of 4% or 5% still be evidence of a pay-gap? How about 10% or 15%?

    • Something to Consider, May 5, 2015 @ 5:23 pm Reply

      Welcome, John!

      Thanks for the insight and great question.

      We actually have a thread on just that question in the forum, if you want to check it out:
      http://forum.somethingtoconsidermovement.com/t/gender-wage-gap-real-or-myth/152

      We talk about some of the data that actually introduces some of those individual choices, and what that means if you use them as "controls," and whether those are things to accept or things to change about society. It’s a bit long… we’re working on getting volunteers to create some summaries of some of our better discussions, but go take a read!

  • Greg Perkins, May 5, 2015 @ 3:47 pm Reply

    Pure feminism would require the complete elimination of gender as a social concept. What does gender provide, other than stereotype biases? It no longer provides a reliable sexual preference heuristic. Its only purpose is to incur reference to social roles, and the social roles have been defined by a primarily patriarchal history. How could we both eliminate social roles and still maintain meaningful names (genders) for those social roles we have eliminated?

    • Something to Consider, May 5, 2015 @ 5:27 pm Reply

      Welcome, Greg!

      Great input–I’m interested in picking deeper into your definition of feminism. I’m wondering if some other people might believe they’re feminists but also embrace having a concept of a "feminine" and "masculine" style, or personality, or etc? Would that be in conflict with your definition, or is there a way to reconcile those? And do you think it would be a problem of such a sense of femininity and masculinity continued in society?

  • Katy Gero, May 6, 2015 @ 12:47 pm Reply

    I’ll weigh in as someone who considers herself a feminist.

    Labels! They’re hard but useful. To respond to Chris’s comment about the definition being tied to the movements leaders: I completely agree, though with ‘Democrat’ it is easier to point to the leadership than ‘feminist’. The feminist movement has leaders but no structured organization which the leaders top, so there’s disagreement even among the leadership. But I agree with John, too: In general, I think the difference between ‘feminism’ and ‘gender equality’ is the difference between promotion and agreement. I don’t just believe in gender equality, I discuss it whenever possible. I don’t worry so much about the specific actions to achieve gender equality, in that I might not agree with other feminists on those actions. This distinction–promotion and agreement–probably accounts for the majority of people not associating with feminism. They believe in its basic concepts, but aren’t active about them. (I hope! There must be some people who don’t support gender equality, unfortunately.)

    To respond to concerns about the inherent inequality of the sexes, for example the ability to bear children and the hormonal differences, I tend towards a theory of fair, not equal. I am not convinced it makes sense to treat everyone equally nor that humans can treat everyone equally. Our ability to make intuitive judgments is key to our functioning in a complex world and those judgments are always at the whim of our unconscious and prejudiced view of the world. So feminism is more complicated, for me, than simply treating men and women equally. I definitely haven’t figured out the best path forward, but I identify with feminism because I am trying to do so.

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